Friday, August 13, 2010

BD impressions: Gladiator (10th Anniversary Edition)

8:14 PM / BD Impressions / Comments25 Comments

BD Impressions
Blu-ray

I'm not going to recount the entirety of GLADIATOR's less than rosy history on BD. Suffice it to say that the previous version, released less than a year ago, was a massive disappointment in the image quality department, with many people scarcely able to believe that such a high profile film could be released in so poor a state - particularly when, in the US, Paramount marketed as part of a range that offered the best films in the best quality, or words to that effect.

You can read my review and see screen captures of the original release here.

Moving swiftly on, Paramount and Universal, who own the rights to the film internationally, have conspired to provide us with a brand new remaster of the film, derived from a new 4K scan of the original negative. Depending on where you live, there are different options available for acquiring a copy of the new version, but it is complicated by the fact that, in the US, Paramount have "silently" released the new edition on to store shelves in nearly identical packaging. The situation in Europe is slightly more clear-cut, although in certain territories (the Netherlands, for example), copies of the new version do exist which come in the original packaging but with a "10th Anniversary Edition" sticker on the back cover. Both Paramount and Universal have set up replacement programmes, so if you already own either release, my recommendation would be to contact the appropriate distributor to arrange a trade (I believe you need to pay the shipping costs yourself).

My copy is the Dutch release by Universal (the one with the original steelbook packaging and a "10th Anniversary Edition" sticker), and I believe that, packaging aside, the same discs will be released throughout Europe. (It certainly includes a plethora of different languages, and the discs themselves carry Dutch, German, UK and Irish classification logos.)

Image quality: Anyway, the disc itself... I previously felt that Disney's re-release of GANGS OF NEW YORK represented the single biggest improvement I had ever seen from one high definition release to another of the same film. GLADIATOR, however, now takes the crown. Indeed, the image quality of this remastered edition is so stunning as to elevate it above MINORITY REPORT and BRAVEHEART in the catalogue title stakes. When word of the remastered version initially emerged, I like many people suspected that the best we could hope for would be something derived from the previous master before the edge enhancement and DNR that sullied it so much had been applied. Instead, Universal and Paramount have pushed the boat out and given us something that actually looks streets better than many BDs of films released in 2010. Even the opticals (GLADIATOR was photochemically colour timed, and as such any effects shots, shots with fades or on-screen text etc., obviously had to be taken from a print source a couple of generations down the line) look better than certain DI-sourced transfers I could mention (see Example 13). It's just an all-round phenomenal presentation and I for one am completely satisfied. 10/10

As regards the differences between Universal and Paramount's releases, obviously each is a different encode derived from the same master. As this comparison by Thunderbolt8 at the AV Science Forum demonstrates, some scenes in the Paramount release appear to have been slightly filtered, visible in the form of slight ringing around the letterbox bars à la their release of MINORITY REPORT (the European release of that title, by 20th Century Fox, suffered from no such ringing). Oddly enough, it is only present for parts of the film, and the effect seems to be fairly minimal (the grain does appear slightly clumpier on the US version of the first capture in the above link). My advice, if you want the best version available, is to go for Universal's version. On a mid-size display, however, or for someone not overly attuned to slight visual imperfections, the Paramount version should definitely suffice.

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studio: Universal; country: Netherlands; region code: ABC; codec: AVC;
file size: 33.01 GB (theatrical), 36.47 GB (extended);
average bit rate (including audio): 30.55 Mbit/sec (theatrical), 30.54 Mbit/sec (extended)

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25 Comments

1. FoxyMulder said:

I take it then that i need to wait and look for the tenth anniversary release, isn't this coming out in September in the UK. ?

(Posted on Friday, August 13, 2010 at 8:28 PM)

2. Author Profile Page Michael said:

To be honest I'm not sure what the plans are for the UK and whether it will be marketed as the 10th Anniversary Edition or something else.

By the way, I've (finally) taken a look at WHERE EAGLES DARE. I won't be doing a full BD Impressions feature on it until I've watched the whole thing, so these are just my cursory impressions for the time being...

Basically, I think it's a serviceable but not particularly stunning release. It's certainly noticeably darker and murkier than the DVD, although which (if either) of the two has the correct look is probably a question best put to someone who's more familiar with the film's history. The blacks do look awfully grey... detail is fairly average... some shots look like they've been quite heavily grain reduced, while others look noticeably better... the various optical shots suffer from pronounced halos, but that was unavoidable... All in all it's no great shakes, though I'm not sure how much better it could have looked, if at all. I'm not exactly thrilled by how it looks, but I've seen a lot worse.

(Posted on Friday, August 13, 2010 at 8:40 PM)

3. FoxyMulder said:

I think i'll just rent Where Eagles Dare then, if memory serves me right i don't think the blacks were ever inky on that film or at least anytime i have watched it in the past.

I recently did some screencaps of Jason and the Argonauts along with my thoughts and it too has some halo's on the optical effects, but just like this film it's the way it was made and hasn't been added for the blu ray release.

I was thinking of buying it with Kelly's Heroes as part of the double pack since it's so cheap, might still but i'll rent first.

I feel like watching a good horror movie as it's friday the 13th.

(Posted on Friday, August 13, 2010 at 8:46 PM)

4. eric.exe said:

Sorry Michael, you're full of it. The original release was fine, an insider said so:
http://forum.blu-ray.com/2236540-post10328.html
http://forum.blu-ray.com/2238763-post10340.html
http://forum.blu-ray.com/2238818-post10344.html

:P

(Posted on Friday, August 13, 2010 at 9:42 PM)

5. Geoff D said:

What hurts WED the most is the sheer amount of optical dissolves. One or two here and there, fine, but it seems like every other cut is a dissolve and much of the film looks like crap as a result. Still, it is what it is.

(Posted on Friday, August 13, 2010 at 10:10 PM)

6. Christopher D. Jacobson said:

From looking at those comparison pics, I guess my eyes aren't really attuned to slight visual imperfections. I mean, I do notice differences, I just don't really see the US version as being lesser—certainly not to any degree that I would pay import price to get what to me only appears to be a very slight, almost minuscule upgrade. What I notice most is how the grain on the Dutch release is a little more soft and thus perhaps more filmic.

Great release, to be sure. Fantastic master, and good transfers on both sides of the pond.

(Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2010 at 12:51 AM)

7. ChuckZ said:

Are you not entertained?

(Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2010 at 1:29 AM)

8. Kram Sacul said:

They should all look this detailed.

(Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2010 at 1:43 AM)

9. Christopher D. Jacobson said:

What's with the US release having like one extra line of pixels at the top of the image? Kinda weird.

(Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2010 at 4:13 AM)

10. bosque said:

Looking very good indeed from those caps, it would be almost impossible to hold out buying this movie on that basis alone (even if you weren't over-keen on the story-line and fake tiger). That is what I want Blu-Ray to look like, although I feel Scorsese wanted a grungier look to GONY which may be why it doesn't quite have the Blu-Ray pop of Gladiator. I also feel Ridley wanted that dirtier look in his later movies of this century i.e American Gangster, Body of Lies etc, so they could never be be as vividly "good-looking" Blu-Rays as Gladiator. It also starts me wondering which other films already out on Blu-ray would benefit from that kind of serious make-over treatment.

(Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2010 at 7:25 AM)

11. Author Profile Page Michael said:

Eric:

For shame! :P If you're going to invoke the words of "insiders", you could at the very least have quoted that most infamous "insider" (or so he claims to be) who told is that, if we didn't like the quality of the original GLADIATOR BD, we should get a new hobby. :D

To his credit, Jeff Kleist seems to have made an honest attempt to get to the bottom of the situation, and, as they say, hindsight is a wonderful thing: I don't think anyone could have seriously predicted that GLADIATOR would one day look THIS good.

(That said, his comments about INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS in the third post you linked to are a little odd to say the least. DNR? Edge halos? I didn't see any - quite the opposite, in fact.)


Chris:

Do you see the ringing around the letterboxing in some of the shots of the US version (e.g. this first)? It's something that affects a number of Paramount titles - e.g. MINORITY REPORT, THE LOVELY BONES, TRANSFORMERS 2, the 2D version of MONSTERS VS. ALIENS (though oddly enough not the 3D version) - and seems to be an ongoing problem at their end. In the first capture, the grain is also clearly (at least to my eyes) clumpier as a result of the filtering. I'm not entirely sure how much of the film has been filtered on the US release (at the very least, the Germania sequences are affected, but I'm not sure whether it resurfaces beyond then), but it certainly tips the balance firmly in favour of Universal's effort for me... as was the case with MINORITY REPORT, where Paramount's release suffered from ringing while 20th Century Fox's did not.

As for the US release having a sliver more vertical information, perhaps Paramount and Universal were simply provided with an open matte 1.78:1 master and each independently cropped it to somewhere in the region of 2.39:1. That's just speculation on my part, but I suspect it's as good an explanation as any.


Bosque:

BODY OF LIES never struck me as all that "dirty"-looking, to tell the truth. In fact, it actually compares very favourably to the new GLADIATOR, let down only by Warner's at times lacklustre VC-1 encoding. As for AMERICAN GANGSTER, it looks pretty underwhelming in HD, and while I suspect the stylistic choices play their part, a lot of the blame lies with the excessively filtered and degrained master. BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN, also from Universal, also photochemically colour timed and released at around the same time, looks equally "meh".

As for other films getting this kind of "make-over" treatment, Ridley Scott's own BLADE RUNNER received a similar overhaul for its final cut, with the original camera negative being rescanned at 4K and re-graded. The GODFATHER trilogy... BRAVEHEART... MINORITY REPORT... SAVING PRIVATE RYAN... The problem, as always, is presumably the costs involved.

(Posted on Sunday, August 15, 2010 at 4:13 PM)

12. bosque said:

Michael: point noted about Body of Lies, though with American Gangster this one looked grungy in the cinema so maybe not much could be done when transferring it to HD-DVD/Blu-Ray; I think Ridley was going for a sort-of French Connection look to it, anyway, what with it being set in the 70s etc. My comment on make-overs was intended to take in Blu-Rays which have been given underwhelming initial releases but then have been given very good re-releases, such as GONY and Gladiator, and I was wondering which other existing BDs could benefit from a similar "make-over".

(Posted on Sunday, August 15, 2010 at 7:21 PM)

13. Author Profile Page Michael said:

Bosque:

Hmm... AMERICAN GANGSTER is probably a combination of artistic intent and a less than impressive master. If Ridley was going for a FRENCH CONNECTION look, I would have expected some actual grain rather than the mush we ended up with.

(Posted on Sunday, August 15, 2010 at 7:57 PM)

14. ChuckZ said:

What I don't understand is why all of these studios complain about the cost of remastering (often just a new telecine with no other work)?

What's preventing them from buying their own digital film scanner and setting up their own in-house remastering facility (I think Sony does this.)? Put all of the colorists on salary and transfer as many films as are needed to ready them for Blu-ray release. A digital film scanner is like what... $500K-$1M? They probably already have people on payroll who could staff the facility. If they're equipped with something like the SCANITY, they could go through one or two films per day at that rate.

(Posted on Monday, August 16, 2010 at 3:44 AM)

15. Kram Sacul said:

Chucksz, it's a good idea but you really have to have the DP or the director of each film be there at some point to make sure the color timing is correct. Otherwise you get results like Halloweeen, Do the Right Thing, Bram Stoker's Dracula ;-), and the US release of The Neverending Story which are clearly not what was originally intended.

(Posted on Monday, August 16, 2010 at 11:42 AM)

16. Steini said:

"What I don't understand is why all of these studios complain about the cost of remastering (often just a new telecine with no other work)?"

George Lucas just used that same excuse for not putting the original versions of the Star Wars films on Blu-ray :(

(Posted on Monday, August 16, 2010 at 6:54 PM)

17. David S.H. said:

"George Lucas just used that same excuse for not putting the original versions of the Star Wars films on Blu-ray :("

So theatrical versions won't even be available via seamless branching?
That will have to be a pass for me then.

(Posted on Monday, August 16, 2010 at 7:48 PM)

18. Toecutter said:

Well, George Lucas is kind of lacking on the cash front...

(Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 at 10:27 AM)

19. FoxyMulder said:

Bram Stokers Dracula was approved by Coppola, it mostly looka good and a lot better than the so called Superbits color timing.

(Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 at 5:26 PM)

20. Kram Sacul said:

That depends on who you ask. Apparently a representative from Zoetrope relayed Mr. Coppola's wishes to the people doing the transfer. Basically phoning it in. Yada yada later and we get a smoothened piece of crap with odd color timing and nonexistent shadow detail.

(Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 at 8:53 PM)

21. FoxyMulder said:

I have the disc, i have watched the disc, i totally disagree with your assessment of the disc, a few isolated moments which are forever handpicked by those who try and call the transfer botched do not make a disc crap, for the most part the film now looks fantastic, before it was far too light and now it is dark and moody and i really don't see "smoothened crap"

Some screenaps here. http://www.darkrealmfox.com/film_reviews/2010/02/12/blu-ray-screencaps-bram-stokers-dracula/

Coppola would not have just approved something the way you say, if he wasn't happy he would have said so because despite what you say he has provided a brand new audio commentary for the disc, that shows he has passion for the film otherwise why provide such a commentary.

As for flat and soft as some reviews state, well thats how it was shot and i'm glad they didn't tinker with that side of things.

(Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 at 9:32 PM)

22. Kram Sacul said:

I will agree to disagree. Those screenshots hurt my eyes.

(Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 at 12:14 AM)

23. Christopher D. Jacobson said:

The "Bram Stoker's Dracula" Blu-ray is beautiful. Far better looking than the Superbit DVD. I went into it in-depth in an Amazon.com review. I think it's crazy people complain about it; it's one of the finest BDs I own.

It still tickles me that people pass around that one screencap where Dracula's face has a green glow, and how they use that to say the color timing's way off. Well, if people would actually view the disc and watch that part in context of the scene, they'd see there's actually a source to that eerie green glow, and it's magnificent.

Plus, Robert Harris said the BD transfer was done in close correlation to the look of the answer print. That and the thing just blows the shit out of all previous video releases in terms of aesthetics.

Really, the "Bram Stoker's Dracula" BD is one of the truest examples of film in high definition, and it really portrays the way the film was intended to look, and highlights all the excellent traditional effects work and lighting, etc.

(Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 at 5:07 AM)

24. Kentai said:

I own Dracula, too. And it's still too f*ing dark. Yes, the color timing is improved over the Superbit on flesh tones and the like, but there's just no excuse for the scene-specific black crush and color manipulation going on with it.

Coppola was nowhere near Drac's transfer like he was with The Godfather I/II. Without Coppola or Ballhaus to tell us (personally, in some form) that the Dracula BD transfer looks the way it's "supposed to", all we have is a generic studio response basically saying "YOU haven't seen the color timed IP, so screw off". So, I should assume that Dracula was suposed to have crushed black levels... why, exactly?

It's possible that FFC wanted the film to look like a Saw sequel and just said it publicly, but without him ever expressing that notion to the public, I can only assume the transfer is borked. And if he DID want it that way, he's crazy. William Friedkin wants the color layer on all of his films to look destroyed, the way Sam Raimi wants The Evil Dead to be cropped into obscurity, and the way James Cameron wants all grain to be eradicated from Aliens. That doesn't make any of these decisions particularly beneficial to the viewing experience - it just makes them "right" because we know it's what the films' directors want.

Anyway, that new GLADIATOR BD looks phenomenal, and I may get the US release. I know, there's just a miniscule bit of ringing on the US transfer, but I'm in no mood to pay extra (double, with EMS?) for an import if the difference is really 0.05% like it appears to be.

...waitasecond, steelbook? ...how much is that Dutch release selling for, again?

(Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 at 6:43 AM)

25. FoxyMulder said:

Coppola approved the transfer, he did a new audio commentary for the disc, his OWN studio Zoetrope worked on it.

The film looks beautiful, it works as it is, i can see though that some people will never be happy with it.

Back to Gladiator, i am tempted to just buy the bloody botched release so i can get a replacement as i have no way of telling a new version will be sent when i order online. ( no shops here seeling blu rays )

(Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 at 12:24 PM)

 
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