Thursday, September 2, 2010

Fight Club captures

9:44 PM / Blu-ray / Comments16 Comments

Blu-ray

I got 20th Century Fox's UK BD release of FIGHT CLUB for my birthday, having already picked up the German release by Kinowelt when it came out a couple of years back. The German release was disappointing for many, although at the time I suspected it was a fairly accurate representation of how the film looked. The UK version, however, comes from a completely new master and one that looks dramatically different to (read: better than) its predecessor.

I haven't had the chance to watch the UK disc from beginning to end, and I probably won't for a while yet, as I saw the film for the first time (fairly) recently and have plenty of discs of movies that are new to me to work through. As such, these captures are provided "as is" without a final score or any in-depth discussion. It's not hard to see which of the two releases compared below is the better of the two, though. By the looks of it they've gone back to the original negative, and the results are as impressive as you'd expect. (By the looks of it, the new US release of SE7EN - winging its way to me now - heralds similar improvements over its Dutch predecessor.)

These are for Gaeljet, who has been begging me for ages to take a look at the UK release.

Fight Club

BD

studio: Kinowelt; country: Germany; region code: B; codec: VC-1;
file size: 33.2 GB; average bit rate (including audio): 34.18 Mbit/sec

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vs.

BD

studio: 20th Century Fox; country: UK; region code: ABC; codec: AVC;
file size: 31.8 GB; average bit rate (including audio): 32.74 Mbit/sec

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16 Comments

1. eric.exe said:

I did some more here: http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/22427/

(Posted on Thursday, September 2, 2010 at 11:19 PM)

2. David S.H. said:

The UK release looks pretty good to me, and its ABC which is good for any importers. Any problems with any of the extras on the disc, being region B only?

(Posted on Thursday, September 2, 2010 at 11:42 PM)

3. Author Profile Page Michael said:

David:

The extras are all NTSC, so no problems for those in North America. That said, I'm pretty sure the UK disc is identical to what was released in the US, barring language and subtitle differences. I should really have made that clearer.

(Posted on Thursday, September 2, 2010 at 11:47 PM)

4. Christopher D. Jacobson said:

I'm kind of confused about "Fight Club" on BD in the US, 'cos I thought they had come out with a BD late last year, and then another just a few months ago—yet this latter one I now can't find information on besides a blank Amazon.com listing.

Wasn't sure if the transfer was any good, so I passed on it. Since these are both handled by 20th Century Fox, I'd assume it's the same transfer.

(Posted on Friday, September 3, 2010 at 5:50 AM)

5. gaeljet said:

lol, thx man!! :)
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK

(Posted on Friday, September 3, 2010 at 10:00 AM)

6. Author Profile Page Michael said:

Chris:

There was a second US release? Hmm, first I've heard of that. There's only a single listing on Amazon, as far as I can see, with a November 17 2009 release date.

And yeah, I'd expect Fox used the same transfer in every territory where they hold the rights.


Gaeljet:

No problem. :)

(Posted on Friday, September 3, 2010 at 12:01 PM)

7. Christopher D. Jacobson said:

I had thought there was—maybe because of this listing:

http://www.amazon.com/Fight-Club-Ws-Blu-ray/dp/B003BZXHWO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1283515157&sr=8-2

(It's found when typing "fight club blu".)

But at the time I remember it being a more fleshed out page with cover art and such.

There's a mention of it on allmovie:

http://www.allmovie.com/dvd/fight-club-237781

I'm seeing other Fox BDs re-released the same day, all mentioning "with IRC" after the title. What IRC stands for in this case, I don't know.

I just figured, for some reason, that the old transfer may have been bad, and a new one was being released.

Using Google's shopping search, DVDMagnet.com is the only result when searching "fight club with irc". http://www.dvdmagnet.com/product_details.php?&fight%20club&upc=024543685500&Fight-Club-Ws-[Blu-ray] It shows the same cover as the 10th Anniversary Edition, so...yeah. Confused. And now you can barely find this "new" Blu-ray "with IRC" that came out in April.

(Posted on Friday, September 3, 2010 at 1:18 PM)

8. Author Profile Page Michael said:

Curiouser and curiouser. I wonder if it could be a version with a cardboard slip cover vs. one without, or something equally trivial. Either way, I very much doubt there's any difference between the two transfer-wise, so I'm inclined to think you can safely buy one or the other.

And "with IRC"? Absolutely no idea what that means.

(Posted on Friday, September 3, 2010 at 2:05 PM)

9. Chris said:

I think "IRC" is retail code for "Instantly Redeemable Coupon" - i.e. a coupon sticker on the case/slipcover that can be redeemed at the point of sale. Amazon accidentally lists these sometimes, but they are usually taken down since they are only really appropriate for brick-and-mortar stores. Another common one you will see is "MCSH" for "Movie Cash".

Both of these are usually limited time offers that show up and then disappear again once the offer has expired or stock has run out. It definitely can be confusing since they usually get issued new UPC and release dates.

(Posted on Friday, September 3, 2010 at 10:06 PM)

10. FoxyMulder said:

I remember reading online and seeing some screencaps of The Siege at AVS forums sometime last year, one was the American release and the other came from Brazil, i think they were both released by Fox in those territories but the encoding job on the Brazil release was much better and it was more detailed, not sure if the American release had some minor degraining done to it, can't remember but they came from the same transfer.

I know the original 1974 version of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre is another likely to have come from the same master but screencaps i have seen at capaholics suggests to me that the UK release looks to have some clear compression issues, i see the same thing with City Of The Living Dead.

I guess my point is that although the same transfer can be used, sometimes the encoding and compression on the disc can be better in some of the different release territories.

That new version of Fight Club looks much superior than the old one, i wish i was more a fan of the film but although it's ok i prefer Fincher's Se7en.

(Posted on Friday, September 3, 2010 at 10:44 PM)

11. Christian said:

Kinowelt will release a new Blu-ray from the new master in November 2010.

(Posted on Saturday, September 4, 2010 at 12:41 AM)

12. Christopher D. Jacobson said:

Chris: Ah. Thanks for the explanation (it sounds sound, so I'll go with it). Damn, now I wish I had picked up "Fight Club" when I saw it for like seven bucks or something real cheap.

FoxyMulder: Both the US and UK BDs of "The Texas Chain Saw Massacre" indeed come from the same master supervised by Don May, Jr. He's credited on the backs of both cases as "Restoration Consultant." That one really showed me just HOW different encodes can achieve vastly varying results. However, I'm not sure what compression issues you mean in relation to the UK disc (though I don't really notice that kind of stuff unless it's really bad). I own both releases (the UK disc will play on a Region A player, by the way), and I far prefer the UK one. So much richer in color and detail; it looks far more like I'd imagine a 16mm print from that era would look. The reds are a bit more orangish, but I think this too was likely an accurate recreation of the original elements. And unlike the US release, it has grain! The US disc's image is so badly noise reduced.

(Posted on Saturday, September 4, 2010 at 7:58 AM)

13. FoxyMulder said:

Perhaps screencaps do not give the whole story with The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, from the ones at capaholics i thought the darker lit scenes showed compression problems with the image on the UK disc but it did look to have a little more grain intact.

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/index.php?art=full&image=9&vergleich=texas_chain_saw_massacre_bd2&action=1#vergleich

Look at that screencap above and i see compression blocking on leatherface's jacket, quite bad too, now i'm unsure if i would see that on my projector, maybe its because i'm viewing on a computer monitor and maybe it would not be noticeable or look so bad under calibrated conditions.

(Posted on Saturday, September 4, 2010 at 8:32 PM)

14. Christopher D. Jacobson said:

Ah, yeah, I see what you mean. I didn't notice anything like that while watching, so it either doesn't happen much, or I'm just not very eagle-eyed. Perhaps the next time I watch it I'll look specifically for such compression issues.

(Posted on Sunday, September 5, 2010 at 9:51 AM)

15. willow said:

Is the UK version uncut?

(Posted on Monday, September 27, 2010 at 9:03 AM)

16. Author Profile Page Michael said:

Willow:

It is now, yeah. The previous cuts were waived a couple of years back.

(Posted on Monday, September 27, 2010 at 9:14 AM)

 
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