Monday, November 8, 2010

Some thoughts on Wild Side's new Tenebrae BD

5:01 PM / BD Impressions / Blu-ray / Comments23 Comments

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I can honestly say I had no idea this BD had been released until it was pointed out to me by Neil over at Dark Discussion... which is a bit unusual, because I'm normally one of the first off the mark when it comes to new Argento releases. Anyway, Wild Side Video is releasing a bunch of Argento classics on BD in France, with THE BIRD WITH THE CRYSTAL PLUMAGE, THE CAT O' NINE TAILS, SUSPIRIA, INFERNO and PHENOMENA to follow (I believe that's the line-up, but someone correct me if I'm wrong). I'm not holding out much hope for SUSPIRIA, which as far as I can gather is sourced from the same ugly contrast-boosted master already used for the Italian and French BDs, and it seems that BIRD, unlike its Blue Underground counterpart, has been cropped to cinematographer Vittorio Storaro's "universal" aspect ratio of 2:1 (à la THE LAST EMPEROR and earlier releases of APOCALYPSE NOW), but I'm very much looking forward to CAT and PHENOMENA, particularly if this release of TENEBRAE is any indication of what we can expect... EDIT: Seems that only TENEBRAE, SUSPIRIA and INFERNO will be making it to BD for the time being...

The packaging

The cover art is fairly generic, but does look quite classy on the whole (no attempts to pass the film off as trash, as is so often the norm with these films - though it strikes me that the French have always had more respect for Argento's output than many other nationalities), and it does come in a rather nifty black case (as opposed to the usual blue), which is a nice touch. There's nothing inside the case except the disc itself - overall, it doesn't exactly feel like Wild Side have pushed the boat out for this release.

The extras

Again, a fairly limited line-up. We get the French theatrical trailer in standard definition, a filmography for Argento, a stills gallery featuring some behind the scenes photographs I'd never seen before, and a new 26-minute documentary featuring interviews with Argento and cinematographer Luciano Tovoli (in French) and composer Claudio Simonetti (in Italian with French subtitles). They discuss the usual subjects: the misogyny charge and the film's status as a response to it, the creation of an ultra-modern Rome, the ultra-bright cinematography, the Louma crane shot... There's nothing in here that can really be classed as new information, and to be honest, I'm not convinced there's much left to be said about TENEBRAE that hasn't already been said. However, it's all presented in a fairly slick and enjoyable fashion... provided you understand French.

A/V Presentation

Now we get into the good stuff... The disc is dual layer and features an AVC encode with a decent bit rate, as well as English, Italian and French audio, all in lossless mono. All three tracks sound decent, with the English track more or less on par with its counterpart on the Dutch A-Film release, and considerably less scratching and degraded than the mix on the Anchor Bay releases.

As for the image quality... it's pretty bloody good. For someone like myself who has watched more DVD copies of TENEBRAE than I care to mention and has never seen an actual print of it, this is like looking at a new film. I mean that in an entirely good way, not in an "Oh my God, they've screwed around with it and now I can't even recognise it" way. If we're being honest, none of the DVD releases of TENEBRAE were up to par, and it wasn't that the best releases (the Japanese, Dutch and French ones) were GOOD so much as simply the best option available by virtue of being better than the deeply unimpressive UK, US and Italian versions. With a brand new HD transfer, TENEBRAE is finally able to shine. Once the rather soft and DNR-laden opening title sequence is out of the way, detail is excellent and grain reduction, while apparent, is rarely intrusive. Barring some weirdness at 00:37:34 with a yellow envelope Anthony Franciosa opens (and a handful of other assorted but far more minor instances), this is what I'd consider to be the acceptable end of grain reduction. (For the unacceptable end, see PATTON, DARK CITY or the re-released PREDATOR...)

Apart from the aforementioned DNR weirdness, I did notice some other slight anomalies. In the second half of the film, the right hand side of the image appears slightly softer than the left and centre, there is a tiny bit of ringing around high contrast edges (optical, I suspect - you can see something similar on the BD releases of SUSPIRIA), and I noticed a number of instances in which the hightlights were slightly overblown. However, given Argento and Tovoli's desire to make a film in which harsh light is omipresent, I'm not sure whether this is a genuine error or simply the way the film was meant to look. There's no indication on the packaging as to whether Argento and/or Tovoli approved the new transfer, so it's anyone's guess. Either way, it's nothing like as bad as the contrast issues on the SUSPIRIA BDs.

In terms of colour timing, this release is closest to the master used for the Dutch (A-Film) and French (TF1) DVD releases, although the night scenes are noticeably brighter, particularly the blood-soaked finale, which always looked much darker on those DVDs than on the Anchor Bay release. It's in no way a radical re-imagining, but the film does look somewhat different from any previous DVD, so I suspect there's going to be a bit of a debate as to whether or not it can be considered "correct". Myself, I'm happy with it. I'm still not a fan of the over-lit TV cop show look Argento and Tovoli went for with the film (visually, it's my least favourite out of all Argento's 70s/80s films), but I can now appreciate what they were going for much better.

In terms of how it measures up against other BD releases of Argento's films, it blows Arrow's disappointing INFERNO BD clean out of the water. In terms of detail, it's fairly close to the Nouveaux Pictures SUSPIRIA BD, but much better overall because it doesn't suffer from anything approaching the level of contrast boosting that plagued that release. The overly soft opening credits, slight grain reduction, isolated DNR artefacts and a couple of instances of moiré (see the walls in the airport bathroom shot near the start of the film) prevent it from ranking as highly as Blue Underground's highly impressive THE BIRD WITH THE CRYSTAL PLUMAGE and TWO EVIL EYES, but it's close. (You'll notice I've deliberately left BU's THE STENDHAL SYNDROME out, given the ongoing debate surrounding the "legitimacy" of its grain.) If we're talking numbers, on my scale it ranks as a low 8/10.

Oh, and all the snippets that were missing from the Anchor Bay release and other editions derived from that master (such as the Medusa and Sazuma releases) appear to be intact: this is the "integral" version.

Overall

The bad news is that this release is locked to Region B only and has forced French subtitles if you select English or Italian audio. I've tried changing the audio and subtitles on the fly, but you can only select them from the menu... which is a bit of a bummer, as I'm sure you'll agree. HTPC users with AnyDVD HD (or similar) will be able to get around this, but those with standard BD players are out of luck.

If you love the film, can play Region B titles and don't mind (or can get around) the subtitles, run out and buy this disc now. I can't stress enough how massive an upgrade over every previous release this constitutes. I don't currently know of any other pending BD releases of this film - it's not part of Blue Underground's upcoming line-up, as the rights to it (and PHENOMENA, TRAUMA and THE CARD PLAYER) are held by Anchor Bay, who haven't announced anything. For the time being, however, what we have is a decent presentation of a film considered by many to be a classic (not myself, though it does come close) accompanied by a fairly light sprinkling of extras, with a couple of technical hurdles (region coding, forced subtitles) to be overcome.

Screen captures follow...

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studio: Wild Side; country: France; region code: ABC; codec: AVC;
file size: 31.2 GB; average bit rate (including audio): 44.34 Mbit/sec

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Updated Wednesday, November 10, 2010 at 09:25 PM: As has been pointed out to me (thanks, Kannisto), this disc is in fact coded for all regions, NOT just Region B. Sorry for the misinformation. Additionally, thanks to Jerome for pointing out that, currently, only TENEBRAE, SUSPIRIA and INFERNO are scheduled for a BD release. The other Wild Side titles mentioned in the review appear to be DVD only.

 
23 Comments

1. Mr. White said:

Thanks for the review, it's nice to see a title like this getting the treatment it deserves.

Concerning the other Wild Side releases: To my knowledge, "The Cat O' Nine Tails" will only be released on DVD. Oh, and I don't own any "Suspiria"-Blu-Rays, but judging from the screenshots I've seen, the French one looks better than the previous two - the ending still has the wrong colours, but at least the Tanzakadmie looks much more pleasing than in the shots you posted.
Here are the links:
http://www.planete-hd.com/Suspiria-test-t635.html
http://www.ecranlarge.com/movie_image-list-10562-1-dvd.php

(Posted on Monday, November 8, 2010 at 5:38 PM)

2. Author Profile Page Michael said:

Thanks for the correction regarding CAT. Sounds like we'll have to wait for the Blue Underground release, then.

As for SUSPIRIA, those shots of the Tanzakademie are from completely different scenes than the one I posted. The captures you linked to look exactly like the Nouveaux and Eagle Pictures BDs, unfortunately.

(Posted on Monday, November 8, 2010 at 5:40 PM)

3. Trond said:

If you have an Oppo BD player, or any other player that can freely adjust the position of the subtitles, you can move the forced ones out of the screen... ie they'll still be there but you can't see them.

(Posted on Monday, November 8, 2010 at 6:53 PM)

4. jerome said:

THE BIRD WITH THE CRYSTAL PLUMAGE, THE CAT O' NINE TAILS, and PHENOMENA are only DVD releases by Wildside. check amazon.fr if don't beleive me.

For The Bird, Storaro has cropped the picture, check the screencaps here
http://www.ecranlarge.com/article-details-17714.php

(Posted on Monday, November 8, 2010 at 10:27 PM)

5. Author Profile Page Michael said:

Trond:

Good thinking, I hadn't considered that.


Jerome:

Really? Damn, that would explain why there's no sign of pre-orders for the other titles... :(

(Posted on Monday, November 8, 2010 at 11:17 PM)

6. Greg M said:

This does appear to be an all around classy release. Shame about the region locking and burnt in subs. I still have yet to pick up any Argento on Blu thanks to the Blue Underground fumbling on their early titles (primarily audio issues).

(Posted on Tuesday, November 9, 2010 at 1:02 AM)

7. David S.H. said:

"Barring some weirdness at 00:37:34 with a yellow envelope Anthony Franciosa opens"

Aaahhh, kill it. Kill it with fire!

(Posted on Tuesday, November 9, 2010 at 1:17 AM)

8. Jean-Denis Rouette said:

Trond,

I have the Oppo but can only partially move the subs offscreen. Is there a trick to move them beyond the -5 setting?

(Posted on Tuesday, November 9, 2010 at 2:34 AM)

9. Author Profile Page Avanze said:

My word this looks awesome, but a shame about the forced subtitles though.

(Posted on Tuesday, November 9, 2010 at 4:44 AM)

10. Vincent Pereira said:

Michael:

Do you have any idea what the file size of the TENEBRAE Blu-ray would be with JUST the English audio? I have a friend who can re-author Blu-rays for me onto BDR-25s, so if the movie and English soundtrack could fit on a BD-25 with an additional compression I'd buy this disc in a heartbeat and had it over to him to make me a viewable copy.

(Posted on Tuesday, November 9, 2010 at 5:42 AM)

11. Christopher D. Jacobson said:

Pretty nice-looking release. Would like to import, but...Region B-locked...forced subtitles... Have to pass. Just going to have to wait and see if Anchor Bay do anything good with it. Or maybe they'll lose the rights (if they haven't already) and Blue Underground will pick it up.

For now, just gotta stick to my US DVDs...of which the only anamorphic one has a slightly taller/stretched image over the non-anamorphic one. Poo. Just can't win with this title; cursed to always watch a bad video representation, it seems.

(Posted on Tuesday, November 9, 2010 at 7:16 AM)

12. Sh_dow said:

A good resolution test: You should be able to make out what book Neal is reading on the plane. I've only ever been able to read the title once during a 35mm screening - it's The Hound of the Baskervilles. The Anchor Bay DVD doesn't convey this information.

(Posted on Tuesday, November 9, 2010 at 8:33 AM)

13. FoxyMulder said:

Can you try the Oppo fix for positioning subtitles and get back to the thread and say if you can actually get the subtitles all the way off the screen and thus mask them when viewing the film.

Also can you supply a link for buying this.

I saw Cat O' Nine Tails on the horror channel at the weekend, full widescreen which was nice but of course mushy SD quality, they are running a short season of Argento films.

(Posted on Tuesday, November 9, 2010 at 12:03 PM)

14. Author Profile Page Michael said:

Vincent:

Unfortunately, by my calculations, removing two of the audio tracks (each of which has an average bit rate in the realm of 1.6 Mbit/sec) would only shave off about 2.5 GB at most, so the file size would still be well over the 25 GB cut-off point.


Sh_dow:

Hound of the Baskervilles it is! I noticed that as soon as I came to that scene, having never been able to make out the title before:

http://www.landofwhimsy.com/funbag/baskervilles.jpg

(Posted on Tuesday, November 9, 2010 at 12:27 PM)

15. Trond said:

Jean-Denis Rouette,

I haven't tried moving the subtitles on this title, so if it is like you say, they won't move all the way out of the screen even at Oppo's minimum setting, then I'm afraid that's how it is.

I have successfully moved forced subtitles out of the screen with other titles, but I guess it worked because the subtitles were lower on the screen initially.

(Posted on Tuesday, November 9, 2010 at 2:41 PM)

16. Neil said:

"Also can you supply a link for buying this."

http://video.fnac.com/a3063338/Tenebres-Blu-Ray-Anthony-Franciosa-Blu-Ray

(Posted on Tuesday, November 9, 2010 at 11:18 PM)

17. Kentai said:

YIKES! Suddenly Jack Skellington's leg disappearing doesn't seem so bad! Do you think that was a DNR gaffe rather than DSR? At least the AVISynth-based scratch removal filters I've tried often smooth out grain/noise as something of a a side-effect, so that would explain why the grain is manipulated without being outright removed. Not that it makes a big difference, filtering is filtering either way, I'm just curious what you think having seen it in motion.

Otherwise, this looks quite impressive. The Roan transfer always looked harsh and blown-out compared to the A-Film/Cinefil Imagica transfers, so I think the fairly limited contrast boosting we see here is a happy medium. With all that Argento and Tovoli have said on the matter, I'd expect this is reasonably accurate to what viewers would have seen theatrically.

By the way, are the credits in English or Italian? (Or French?)

The Region B/Forced Subtitles aspect will probably keep it at arms-length, for now, but the very fact that an HD version is making the rounds gives me hope that it's only the first of several options. How much did it cost you, should I feel especially masochistic and in the mood to recompress a title for BD-R?

(Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 at 4:06 AM)

18. kannisto said:

At least according to AnyDVD HD this is not region B locked but region free. I received mine from Fnac this Monday.

Total size: 17924576 sectors (35008 MBytes)
Video Blu-ray label: TENEBRES
Media is AACS protected!
AACS MKB version 19
Removed AACS copy protection!
Blu-ray disc is region free!
Removed UOPs!

(Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 at 1:55 PM)

19. kannisto said:

Credits are in Italian. This also worked on my region A LG BD370 as is so must be region free. Just finished watching it.

(Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 at 4:57 PM)

20. Author Profile Page Michael said:

Kentai:

I must admit I was using the phrase "DNR" rather loosely. "DSR" (digital scratch removal for those who don't know) is indeed probably more accurate.

In terms of cost, this came to €28.29, of which €8.30 was the shipping charge, from FNAC. I'm not aware of any other store selling this title at the moment, though I could be wrong. Amazon.fr definitely doesn't have it.

Kannisto:

Oops! Many thanks for pointing this out. I've corrected the review.

(Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 at 9:36 PM)

21. Kentai said:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tenebrae-Blu-ray/dp/B003NEQ71G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1289427230&sr=8-1

That'd solve the forced subtitle issue, at least. I certainly wouldn't trust Arrow to give the best transfer by default, but I guess all we can do is wait and see...

(Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 at 10:26 PM)

22. Brian said:

Not on this title but the BU BDs. I agree about BIRD and TWO EVIL EYES in that they don't look artificial. STENDHAL does look the way you describe, but even though it looks good, I think the grain in NYR seems similarly weird (opening scene with old man and dog finding hand). Adding in DJANGO and COTLD, I can't help but think of a (probably wrong) connection in that BIRD and TWO EVIL EYES are from older HD masterings (having been mentioned on the prior DVD releases as a source) and the others being new jobs.


The caps for TENEBRE here look very good to me, except for the one you pointed out (the letter). Over on AVManiacs, someone posted a video from some website which had a split-screen between "Wild Side" and "Anchor Bay" releases. The Wild Side side had an ugly blue tint to everything so I was expecting bad here. This looks good, I wonder what was up with that video.

(Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2010 at 1:00 AM)

23. Clive Smith said:

Do FNAC ship to the UK? I couldn't work it out from their site.

(Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2010 at 2:22 PM)

 
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